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[14:01:20]<dougvann>join us in here at 1:30 EDT http://groups.drupal.org/node/146934
[14:01:22]<Druplicon>http://groups.drupal.org/node/146934 => Drupal Dojo Session: Drupal's Payment API and how we built Kickstarter functionality in Drupal => 0 comments, 3 IRC mentions
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[16:16:38]<banghouse>is the kickstarter clone dojo today at 1:30p EST?
[16:25:16]<banghouse>nm i got it
[16:34:42]<dougvann>;-)
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[16:57:10]<dougvann>join us in the #drupal-dojo in 30 minutes http://groups.drupal.org/node/146934
[16:57:11]<Druplicon>http://groups.drupal.org/node/146934 => Drupal Dojo Session: Drupal's Payment API and how we built Kickstarter functionality in Drupal => 0 comments, 7 IRC mentions
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[17:13:16]<gusaus>rumour has it there's a dojo session in a bit
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[17:15:27]<gusaus>dougvann: so you're all set up to record and MC 8)
[17:16:32]<gusaus>http://groups.drupal.org/node/146934
[17:16:36]<Druplicon>http://groups.drupal.org/node/146934 => Drupal Dojo Session: Drupal's Payment API and how we built Kickstarter functionality in Drupal => 0 comments, 8 IRC mentions
[17:16:42]<dougvann>yuo yuo
[17:16:46]<gusaus>^^ coming up in approx 15 mins
[17:16:48]<dougvann>bmadore: in the house?
[17:17:32]<bmadore>dougvann: yes! was just trying to find you. shoulda come to IRC
[17:17:45]<bmadore>trying to log in to webinar now, you the organizer?
[17:17:48]<dougvann>yes ill start it
[17:17:51]<dougvann>gimme a sec
[17:18:05]<bmadore>cool
[17:18:28]<gusaus>woohooo - a little time to warmup
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[17:18:28]<gusaus>i'll be on in a sec too
[17:18:35]<bmadore>and, I was not successful in setting up a recording system. figured we could rely on you or find an attendee we know and trust to have do it for us...
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[17:19:15]<dougvann>i have a pc and apam on my desk
[17:19:18]<dougvann>we'll see ho it goze
[17:19:41]<gusaus>99% of the time we get a recording
[17:20:11]<gusaus>even the last one, we got 'most' of the recording, but for some reason not all
[17:21:28]<bmadore>okay... sounds goo
[17:21:29]<bmadore>i'm in
[17:23:13]<gusaus>bmadore: you're not going to be using keynote are you?
[17:23:23]<bmadore>NO!
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[17:23:31]<gusaus>good!
[17:23:41]<gusaus>that was another issue we had last time
[17:25:18]<joates>connected, video, audio.. all GOOD :)
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[17:27:16]<banghouse>dougvann: you sound like you might be away from mic
[17:27:18]<kbell>Sounds great
[17:27:20]<joates>boost audio a little if poss.. video perfect !!
[17:28:27]<banghouse>agree everyone else sounds good
[17:28:38]<banghouse>dougvann: was just a bit echoey
[17:28:43]<kbell>It's varying but a couple of people are quieter
[17:29:11]<kbell>Banghouse +1 on audio
[17:31:09]<gusaus>mlncn: will you be attending ^^
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[17:33:10]<banghouse>i see chat
[17:33:30]<banghouse>dojo homepage
[17:35:09]<gusaus>yup - so far so good :)
[17:36:26]<gusaus>hahaha
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[17:37:34]<banghouse>command+ your windows
[17:37:39]<banghouse>plz
[17:38:03]<kbell>I've lost audio. Any tips? My machine is not muted. I'm using my iPad (first time)
[17:38:32]<kbell>It was working fine and then just stopped audio
[17:38:58]<gusaus>kbell: hmm... it's working here
[17:39:42]<dougvann>ooh our 1st ipad attendee.. hope the audio gets worked out. hmm
[17:39:57]<kbell>I left and rejoined - fixed it. Thanks
[17:40:06]<dougvann>sweet
[17:40:14]<kbell>I'm sure it was user error of some kind ;)
[17:40:15]<dougvann>ill try on my zoom next week!
[17:40:23]<dougvann>or XOOM that is
[17:41:37]<gusaus>that's what makes it a dojo - anything goes :)
[17:41:56]<kbell>It's awfully quiet with this speaker (for me)
[17:42:25]<kbell>I played at the cedar many years ago :)
[17:42:34]<joates><- from London, what is "the twin cities" pls?
[17:42:38]<kbell>Used to live in mpls.
[17:42:47]<kbell>Minneapolis - st. Paul
[17:42:50]<kbell>Minnesota
[17:43:28]<joates>thx
[17:43:37]<kbell>They comprise one huge city split down the middle by the Mississippi river.
[17:43:47]<gusaus>very slick site
[17:44:37]<kbell>Yes. Very nice.
[17:44:44]<kbell>It's a great venue too.
[17:44:55]<dougvann>advantage-labs does QUALITY work for sure
[17:45:11]<kbell>+1
[17:45:14]<gusaus>http://www.thecedar.org/get-involved
[17:45:54]<joates>i'd like to see a jQuery UI slider for that donation amount ;-)
[17:46:16]<dougvann>example of kickstart = Robert Douglass and his Iraqi youth Orchestra project. I supported the site yesterday. It's my 1st time joining a project on Kickstarter http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/293573191/iraqi-youth-orchestra-help...
[17:46:57]<kbell>Can it handle recurring donations?
[17:47:10]<kbell>What payment processors can it use?
[17:47:36]<kbell>(does it use a generic model for using payment processors)?
[17:48:42]<dougvann>excellent questions. ill get those to Barry soon
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[17:49:23]<kbell>dougvann: Thx
[17:55:51]<joates>for vanity reasons "Pay" is nice, but some users will expect to enabled it and off you go.. if its 'API' it should be caleld "Pay API" imho
[17:56:33]<joates>idk if any module maintainers are here.. anyway just my 2c
[17:57:29]<kbell>I would be building an NDF processor for this
[17:57:56]<kbell>joates: +1
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[18:02:12]<gusaus>that's the way we rool
[18:02:13]<gusaus>and 'roll'
[18:03:18]<banghouse>sounds like Im not the only bang in the house
[18:03:31]<gusaus>hahaha - ya
[18:03:35]<dougvann>lol
[18:03:51]<mlncn> - is there anything shopping-cart like for donating to multiple projects at once?
[18:04:38]<mlncn> - or when someone comes back to make another donation, and their card is already on file via authorize.net CIM, can that be used for an entirely separate donation, or do they have to enter their card again?
[18:04:56]<dougvann>not that i know of
[18:05:08]<kbell>These options are specific to each payment processor, yes?
[18:06:22]<kbell>Holding account info
[18:06:28]<kbell>Recurring payments, etc.
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[18:07:47]<kbell>I'm wondering specifically about refactoring processors from ubercart or civi to fill this gap.
[18:08:40]<joates>authorize is $99 setup and $20 per month basic
[18:09:12]<kbell>There's a setup plus percentage transaction
[18:09:17]<kbell>joates: Yes
[18:10:30]<mlncn>MerchantPlus (using Authorize.net) is the best deal i know about
[18:10:40]<kbell>Google checkout is cheap
[18:10:50]<kbell>And no setup fee
[18:11:29]<kbell>It's just a percentage on transactions (last time I checked)
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[18:11:49]<kbell>Denver is the code sprint
[18:12:15]<kbell>For COD
[18:12:57]<mlncn>is the module set up to match people up to their saved information for a second donation, or is that only used for the one pledge? (basically asking if we should build on Pay or hold out for Commerce!)
[18:13:55]<dougvann>good Q ill get it in there
[18:14:32]<kbell>For similar reasons I'm trying o find out about recurring transactions. I have to build a custom payment processor anyway and I want to pick the best platform to write it for.
[18:15:07]<joates>Drupalicon is a cherry ! grrrr pls stop messing with the icon ! :(
[18:15:34]<joates>is *that* a cherry? wtf is that !?? LOL
[18:16:35]<banghouse>http://www.commerceguys.com/ http://www.lullabot.com/podcasts/drupal-voices-183-ryan-szrama-on-drupal...
[18:16:43]<kbell>It's the cherry!!
[18:16:52]<kbell>From the walker arts center!
[18:17:22]<joates>its just WRONG.. pls NO more :p
[18:17:41]<kbell>(I just now looked at the page)
[18:17:50]<kbell>It's on the edge of a spoon very very large
[18:17:51]<kbell>It's like 30 feet high
[18:17:55]<joates>great.. leave it as a cherry.. not drupal icon :))
[18:18:17]<gusaus>haha - sweet
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[18:18:27]<kbell>It's really cool in person
[18:18:46]<joates>lol
[18:18:51]* dougvann wil miss joates .... :-(
[18:18:53]<kbell>Lol
[18:18:58]* joates is laughing about it
[18:19:12]<dougvann>;-)
[18:19:45]<joates>without that specific local knowledge (which i dont have) impossible to understand why its being used that way.. sorry for my outburst hehe
[18:20:11]<dougvann>the dojo LIVES for outbursts! bring 'em on!
[18:20:49]<kbell>The only question I really have is if the speaker has any knowledge about refactoring existing payment processors fir ubercart or civi
[18:21:20]<kbell>Because obviously those two have a ton of extant processors already
[18:22:14]<kbell>And authorize.net is not an option unfortunately. I'd rather see this kind of CIM function abstracted way from the processor companies.
[18:22:28]<kbell>And into the pay API instead
[18:24:49]<kbell>Yes god please
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[18:25:55]<kbell>Which is why refactoring existing is so important.
[18:28:33]<kbell>Ubercart is great but it's heavy for these types of smaller applications
[18:29:13]<joates>UI feedback: (i know its an admin page) the sharp bottom corners (inside) do not look good with the rounded corners (outside)
[18:30:03]<joates>^^ very minor but easy css fix :)
[18:30:47]<kbell>Thanks Barry!!
[18:31:36]<joates>excellent presentation, Cedar site looks great, fantastic donation solution implemented.. congrats !!
[18:31:48]<kbell>joates: +1
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[18:32:26]<gusaus>ohh.... now that's a novel idea
[18:32:55]<gusaus>good group to check out - http://drupalkata.com/community-initiatives/
[18:33:16]<kbell>I'll be jumping right on this, for sure. I'm building a site that needs exactly this
[18:33:59]<dougvann>thats awesome!
[18:34:27]<gusaus>we can do a kickstarter to raise funds for drupal fundraising tools :)
[18:34:48]<kbell>But I have to build that custom payment processor - haven't done this before and I hear it's a pita
[18:35:04]<kbell>gusaus: great idea! Lol
[18:35:20]<kbell>Yes please!
[18:35:27]<gusaus>we'll keep talking and working on this here
[18:35:52]<kbell>Thanks gusaus again
[18:35:58]<mlncn>yes all, please join http://drupalkata.com/community-initiatives/ and help us plan funding free software for Drupal!
[18:36:16]<mlncn>and someone who is farther along with Payment API post an issue to the Commerce queue telling them to use it!
[18:36:28]<gusaus>dougvann: bmadore awesome - thanks!
[18:36:56]<kbell>mincn: good idea! +1
[18:37:01]<bmadore>thanks gusaus, dougvann, that was fun and hopefully helpful
[18:37:05]<gusaus>haha - ya
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[18:39:27]<gusaus>bmadore: this may be a good point of reference for a working project - http://drupalkata.com/community-initiatives/node/1626
[18:40:51]<kbell>Am a kata initiatives member, project link +1
[18:41:51]<bmadore>gusaus: yes, I think you're right.
[18:42:06]<gusaus>mlncn: what do you think :)
[18:42:37]<gusaus>seems like seeder fits in nicely w/ this - http://drupalkata.com/community-initiatives/node/1586
[18:43:25]<kbell>gusaus: +1 I agree after reading the post on kata
[18:43:33]<bmadore>kbell: (complete personal aside) any chance you lived in St. Paul in the FFLAC a million years ago? Just a hunch based on your comments
[18:44:01]<kbell>Frogtown family lofts, baby!
[18:44:16]<bmadore>I thought so. What a kick.
[18:44:34]<bmadore>From Frogtown to Drupal. We ought to have a reality series...
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[18:44:51]<kbell>By way of my band, no less.
[18:45:59]<kbell>That's really funny. I love the TC. Awesome place, people
[18:46:05]<bmadore>gusaus: On http://drupalkata.com/community-initiatives/node/1586, as we discussed before, the big concern is governance
[18:46:32]<gusaus>love the cedar site - we should turn that into a music/event venue distro :)
[18:46:44]<kbell>And the best, most developed community-living situations for artists and musicians ive ever seen, anywhere. ArtSpace rules!
[18:46:50]<bmadore>thanks, gusaus, we've kinda thought about it
[18:46:56]<kbell>gusaus: +1
[18:47:09]<bmadore>kbell: for sure! I miss it tons.
[18:47:56]<gusaus>bmadore: kbell this is another project i've been quietly setting up - http://drupalkata.com/music/
[18:48:37]<bmadore>kbell: whoa! cool.
[18:48:38]<gusaus>the missing piece is the kickstarter type functionality to raise funds for such a project ;)
[18:49:17]<bmadore>gusaus: right and the right central trusted resource for soliciting, collecting and distributing donations
[18:50:36]<bmadore>gusaus: as I was saying, we need to convene a group of people to suss out the details of governing such an endeavor and avoid the chaos that could easily scuttle things
[18:51:16]<gusaus>bmadore: agreed - the Kata might be easier since it's more limited in scope
[18:52:20]<gusaus>basic idea would be 'similar to kickstarter' a small percentage would go to funding - http://drupalopenlearning.org/
[18:52:30]<bmadore>kbell: we should talk. we are all about that type of project. we are convening a group of arts organizations locally to talk about a small arts distribution. We've already created a community distribution and suite of services for labor-based causes (http://www.laborhub.net). The structure and concept is scalable to other niche communities as well. The Cedar features could well form the backbone of something...
[18:53:03]<kbell>\w test
[18:53:05]<bmadore>gusaus: I agree that like the Cedar, the Kata may have enough gravitas to use a Seeder model successfully
[18:53:30]<bmadore>gusaus: we're definitely interested in collaborating to make that happen
[18:54:19]<gusaus>bmadore: lets do it!
[18:54:23]<bmadore>oops, gusaus, I thought the post about the kata/music was kbell's... although what I said still applies
[18:54:25]<bmadore>and okay!
[18:54:44]<gusaus>haha - i'm very interested in both
[18:55:19]<kbell>bmadore: Yes
[18:55:25]<gusaus>http://drupalkata.com/music/node/1324
[18:55:38]<kbell>Having trouble with iPad colloquy, sorry guys!
[18:58:34]<gusaus>bmadore: should I assign this issue to you :) - http://drupalkata.com/website/node/324
[19:01:27]<bmadore>gusaus: okay! that would be a good place to start.
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[19:06:34]<gusaus>bmadore: awesome - we're totally open ideas on how to implement - we're using webenabled for dev so we can easily clone the site and give your time a sandbox
[19:06:44]<gusaus>team
[19:09:31]<bmadore>gusaus: i'll dig into that a bit so I can digest what's happening and what we need to do. let's convene a chat when eric
[19:09:33]<bmadore>'
[19:09:36]<bmadore>s
[19:10:28]<mlncn>bmadore: gusaus: count Agaric in
[19:13:01]<gusaus>mlncn: bmadore i'm not exactly what you'd call a good developer or competent project manager, so i'm totally open to ideas on how to move forward
[19:13:30]<bmadore>Great! I figured Ben would be pivotal.
[19:14:03]<bmadore>gusaus: and I'm with you, not so much a developer but better at project management. it's all about collaboration, though, leverage all of our strengths
[19:14:55]<bmadore>gusaus: gotta run. get food. I'll catch up with you later and follow all those links and start participating (I swear).
[19:15:14]<mlncn>Agaric is committed to making this space happen for Drupal as a whole. As a open nonprofit, but we'r putting resources toward it. Whether the Kata be a part of that, or a test run, or what, i don't know.
[19:15:39]<mlncn>but as bmadore says the main thing is the governance
[19:15:51]<bmadore>mlncn: you hit the nail
[19:15:55]<mlncn>And i have a 501c3 non-profit with no governance, so i need help too
[19:16:09]<bmadore>having agaric resources would be a major boost
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[19:16:46]<mlncn>Kathleen Murtagh has been researching away on this space starting this past weekend
[19:16:53]<mlncn>bmadore: you will hear from her :-)
[19:16:56]<bmadore>this project could help Drupal as well as individual businesses and the convening nonprofit
[19:16:57]<gusaus>well... i think the ideal would be that kata would be a good test case and we could take the functionality and apply it to the larger effort
[19:17:08]<bmadore>gusaus: agreed if staged correctly
[19:17:25]<mlncn>gusaus: functionality, and governance
[19:17:43]<bmadore>mlncn: look forward to it! what do you need me to do?
[19:18:08]<mlncn>bmadore: just keep us looped! kathleen is driving this project from our side
[19:18:08]<bmadore>mlncn: just this minute groked your username...
[19:18:33]<bmadore>mlncn: okay. gotta create the loop more formally to loop everyone in ;)
[19:19:15]<gusaus>mlncn: bmadore we can use this irc room to chat anytime
[19:19:15]<mlncn>bmadore: the kata site, though we also have our own open atrium project for it
[19:19:32]<bmadore>mlncn: right. that shouldn't be a problem.
[19:20:09]<mlncn>yeah, i think everything can be discussed on the kata site
[19:20:21]<bmadore>mlncn: i think a project funding site would necessarily be a separate entity from a PM site.
[19:20:29]<mlncn>bmadore: very much agreed. i meant for discussing, heh
[19:20:35]<bmadore>but discussions, planning, etc. perfect for an Atrium
[19:20:37]<gusaus>http://drupalkata.com/community-initiatives/
[19:21:02]<gusaus>^^ for discussions on the larger project
[19:21:40]<mlncn>bmadore: we've been talking about linking the funding site to people's choice of project management sites, but not trying to put it all together in one service. That way lies madness
[19:21:42]<kathleen>I'm investing 24hrs a week into this for the next 3 weeks, and then 32hrs a week thereafter
[19:21:43]<bmadore>mlncn: absolutely
[19:21:47]<bmadore>kathleen: wow!
[19:22:09]<bmadore>kathleen: help us help you... (so to speak)
[19:22:10]<kathleen>I'm starting off with precident studies and user research
[19:22:18]<gusaus>kathleen: wow indeed :)
[19:22:55]<kathleen>I hired a research assistant to help me in this research phase
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[19:23:24]<mlncn>(and this is all Kathleen's resources not Agaric's to this point)
[19:23:57]<kathleen>From my experience, projects have been a lot more successful when they have done proper research first... but when they dive into code and concentrate too much on it, something gets lost. So I'm focusing on ensuring there's a good understanding of WHAT is needed
[19:24:22]<bmadore>kathleen: your singing our tune. how do we help?
[19:24:29]<kathleen>:)
[19:25:12]<kathleen>Well, I will be contacting all of you guys soonish for surveys. I didn't even know who you guys were until this weekend when I found out you guys have been talking so much about this :)
[19:25:35]<kathleen>You two ended up ranked "9" in "community interest level" when the average was 2 or 3 :)
[19:25:51]<bmadore>nice!
[19:26:08]<bmadore>I'd like to earn that rating.
[19:26:38]<gusaus>the interest/debate has been going on forever in the larger community
[19:26:48]<gusaus>at least in drupal years
[19:26:53]<mlncn>kathleen pretty much came up with the same idea as we discussed at Chicago independently :-) Wherein i said, "i love it when a plan comes together"
[19:27:13]<bmadore>Yep. Time to move it on to action. And that proves it, right? It always happens that way in my experience.
[19:27:24]<mlncn>gusaus: it has, and kathleen has on record just like you two all the participants in those conversations :-)
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[19:28:12]<gusaus>bmadore: mlncn kathleen here's a team page that's probably a bit outdated - http://drupalkata.com/community-initiatives/node/1631
[19:28:22]<kathleen>Yeah, from the kata community and a bunch of places that Ben pointed me towards, and of course references from there and there, I gathered a list of 140 people who have contributed to the discussions around this topic
[19:29:06]<gusaus>I used to talk a lot more before I got totally burned out :P
[19:29:12]<kathleen>I then ranked those people based upon how often they contributed
[19:29:27]<kathleen>gusaus: you have the top ranking of 9 :)
[19:29:37]<bmadore>I'm super jazzed to get started ASAP and continue this discussion and shed my own burnout (hear ya gusaus).
[19:29:56]<mlncn>bmadore: gusaus - i'm jumping way ahead, but one particular governance thing, if you know anyone expert in determining project eligibility for tax-deductible donations
[19:30:10]<mlncn>DOLI stuff should be a shoo-in but it would be ideal to vet other submissions for non-profit purpose so they can get tax deductible donations too
[19:30:46]<bmadore>mlncn: good point. i think i may have a line on that.
[19:30:51]<bmadore>i know who to ask, in any case
[19:30:58]<bmadore>I'm on a few nonprofit boards
[19:31:05]<kathleen>So here's my plan... I'm doing precident studies and individual surveys. As I get data, I'll put the data on the Kata site
[19:32:52]<bmadore>kathleen, mlncn, gusaus: I gotta leave this chat. please keep me looped and invite me to any formal discussions. We're (Advantage Labs) ready to participate.
[19:33:02]<kathleen>:)
[19:33:16]<gusaus>bmadore: great - thanks again for the session earlier!
[19:33:17]<kathleen>Still doing research at this phase
[19:33:48]<bmadore>gusaus: no problem. thanks for convening it and gathering everyone. talk to you all soon!
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[22:57:22]<bmadore>how do i access the channel log?
[22:57:45]<bmadore>(gotta figure out how to ask the bot a question)
[22:57:51]<bmadore>sigh
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[23:04:22]<kathleen>Druplicon: help
[23:04:22]<Druplicon>Detailed information is available with "BOTNAME: help <feature>" where <feature> is one of: Aggregator, Auth, Botagotchi, Factoids, Karma, Logging, Project URLs, Reminders, Seen, Tell, Timezones.
[23:04:34]<kathleen>Druplicon: help logging
[23:04:34]<Druplicon>Logging is enabled for some or all channels at <http://druplicon.info/bot/log>. A URL to the current log and timestamp is retrievable with "BOTNAME: log pointer?" or "BOTNAME: log bookmark?"
[23:04:43]<kathleen>bmadore: ^^ :)
[23:06:39]<bmadore>Thanks a bunch, kathleen!
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